[GiDlist] Problem Safir -GiD interface

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Javier Unanua

[GiDlist] Problem Safir -GiD interface

Postby Javier Unanua » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:06 pm

Hi all;

I am trying to run a model for Safir. I disconnected some beam 3D elements degrees of freedom at some nodes to simulate pinned connections (elements do not transfer bending moments in some axes).
When the run is launched; an error message pops up in the screen.
I opened the txt file (in and OUT files are not created) and an error message says the model exceeds the maximum number of beams that can be associated to "Disconnect_Id" (100)
I found that error in the past and tried to overwhelm it generating several Id with the same disconnected degree of freedom so that the number of beams per Id were fewer than 100.
I did not succeed. Does anyone know how to overwhelm this limitation? Otherwise the capacity to disconnect degrees of freedom in Safir - Gid is quite limited.

Thank you in advance !



Javier Unanua
Senior Engineer | Fire Engineering

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Eric Tonicello

[GiDlist] Problem Safir -GiD interface

Postby Eric Tonicello » Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:53 am

Hi !



Never had such a problem. Try to ask Prof. frannsen or @ safir team



Eric Tonicello



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Hi all;



I am trying to run a model for Safir. I disconnected some beam 3D elements
degrees of freedom at some nodes to simulate pinned connections (elements do
not transfer bending moments in some axes).

When the run is launched; an error message pops up in the screen.

I opened the txt file (in and OUT files are not created) and an error
message says the model exceeds the maximum number of beams that can be
associated to “Disconnect_Id” (100)

I found that error in the past and tried to overwhelm it generating several
Id with the same disconnected degree of freedom so that the number of beams
per Id were fewer than 100.

I did not succeed. Does anyone know how to overwhelm this limitation?
Otherwise the capacity to disconnect degrees of freedom in Safir – Gid is
quite limited.



Thank you in advance !







Javier Unanua

Senior Engineer | Fire Engineering



Arup

C/ Alcalá 54 E28014 Madrid Spain

t +34 91 523 92 76

f +34 91 521 85 75 m +34 696 23 35 31

http://www.arup.com/ www.arup.com







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Javier Unanua

[GiDlist] Problem Safir -GiD interface

Postby Javier Unanua » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:21 am

Thanks, I sent them an email yesterday.
Did you use new GiD release 10 with Safir?
I underwent other problems trying to disconnect DoF.
It did not work and did strange things such as switching the maximum number of DoF from 7 to 3.

Javier Unanua

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Hi !

Never had such a problem. Try to ask Prof. frannsen or @ safir team

Eric Tonicello

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Objet : [GiDlist] Problem Safir -GiD interface

Hi all;

I am trying to run a model for Safir. I disconnected some beam 3D elements degrees of freedom at some nodes to simulate pinned connections (elements do not transfer bending moments in some axes).
When the run is launched; an error message pops up in the screen.
I opened the txt file (in and OUT files are not created) and an error message says the model exceeds the maximum number of beams that can be associated to "Disconnect_Id" (100)
I found that error in the past and tried to overwhelm it generating several Id with the same disconnected degree of freedom so that the number of beams per Id were fewer than 100.
I did not succeed. Does anyone know how to overwhelm this limitation? Otherwise the capacity to disconnect degrees of freedom in Safir - Gid is quite limited.

Thank you in advance !



Javier Unanua
Senior Engineer | Fire Engineering

Arup
C/ Alcalá 54 E28014 Madrid Spain
t +34 91 523 92 76
f +34 91 521 85 75 m +34 696 23 35 31
www.arup.comhttp://www.arup.com/



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Eric Tonicello

[GiDlist] Problem Safir -GiD interface

Postby Eric Tonicello » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:57 am

Hi !



I’m currently using GID 9.0.6 with SAFIR interface version 2011.



If you have a few nodes to disconnect, maybe do it manually in the .IN file
and see if work better.



Pay also attention to the correct axes you are disconnecting, since the
local axis are different from the global ones.



Keep me informed, as I use SAFIR quite a lot.



Eric Tonicello



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Thanks, I sent them an email yesterday.

Did you use new GiD release 10 with Safir?

I underwent other problems trying to disconnect DoF.

It did not work and did strange things such as switching the maximum number
of DoF from 7 to 3.



Javier Unanua



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Sent: 24 February 2012 07:54
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Subject: Re: [GiDlist] Problem Safir -GiD interface



Hi !



Never had such a problem. Try to ask Prof. frannsen or @ safir team



Eric Tonicello



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Envoyé : jeudi 23 février 2012 18:07
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Objet : [GiDlist] Problem Safir -GiD interface



Hi all;



I am trying to run a model for Safir. I disconnected some beam 3D elements
degrees of freedom at some nodes to simulate pinned connections (elements do
not transfer bending moments in some axes).

When the run is launched; an error message pops up in the screen.

I opened the txt file (in and OUT files are not created) and an error
message says the model exceeds the maximum number of beams that can be
associated to “Disconnect_Id” (100)

I found that error in the past and tried to overwhelm it generating several
Id with the same disconnected degree of freedom so that the number of beams
per Id were fewer than 100.

I did not succeed. Does anyone know how to overwhelm this limitation?
Otherwise the capacity to disconnect degrees of freedom in Safir – Gid is
quite limited.



Thank you in advance !







Javier Unanua

Senior Engineer | Fire Engineering



Arup

C/ Alcalá 54 E28014 Madrid Spain

t +34 91 523 92 76

f +34 91 521 85 75 m +34 696 23 35 31

http://www.arup.com/ www.arup.com







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Eric Legrand

[GiDlist] File with extension TBE

Postby Eric Legrand » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:07 am

I don't know how to edit and make a file with TBE extension

To load, I use loadTbeFile but I want to edit this file

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[GiDlist] File with extension TBE

Postby escolano » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:29 am

TBE files can't be edited
The only think that you can do is to convert a .tcl file into a .tbe file, but not the inverse.

Enrique Escolano
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I don't know how to edit and make a file with TBE extension

To load, I use loadTbeFile but I want to edit this file

Thank you




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Re: [GiDlist] Problem Safir -GiD interface

Postby Juan Antonio Paz » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:39 am

Dear all,
I am Juan Antonio Paz and I am a master civil engineering student at UCLM.
In this moment, I am developing my master thesis. In my thesis I have to do structural analysis over one open car park when in this car park occur a fire. In first time I did a nominal temperature-time curve analysis, this analysis was doing according to EN 1993-1-2. Later I did a Heskestadt and Hasemi models, these models was developing according to EN 1991-1-2. Finally, I have to do a CFD model, in this point my tutors advise me to use SAFIR. I required to SAFIR 2D while my university bought a 3D license, but I never did anything with SAFIR I only knew this software because the last quartier I was studying at ULG and I studied one elective course about fire engineering.
This week I began to do the 2D examples that SAFIR group sent me when I required SAFIR and I did not have any problems however I thought to do a frame with a local fire and I read the different SAFIR manuals so in first time I have to do a thermal analysis and after do a structural analysis. For to do a thermal analysis I created a HASEMI.txt file where I introduced all fire characteristics and I assigned to the cross section his characteristics. Later, when I create the mesh I go to problem data and in this point SAFIR give me few options but according to SAFIR manual I should select MAKE.TEM or MAKE.TEMHA, if I select MAKE.TEM I could do a thermal analysis but the temperature is constant in the cross section profile however if I select MAKE.TEMHA, I should to introduce a XXXX.IN file where I should to do a structural analysis but the cross section thermal analysis would be previously because here I obtain the different characteristics about cross section and later to introduce it in the different frame parts. So in this point I am stopped. I know that this forum is not thinking for solve questions about SAFIR but I do not find any SAFIR forum where I can request it. Could anyone give me one clue about how to do Hasemi model with SAFIR? Maybe I do not consider something.

Thank you in advance!

Juan Antonio Paz
Master Civil Engineering Student
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Re: [GiDlist] Problem Safir -GiD interface

Postby escolano » Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:25 pm

Sorrey, we don't know how to use SAFIR.
Must ask to the SAFIR group that has provided you this solver

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